tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post1258030317560313711..comments2024-03-01T08:19:54.547+00:00Comments on BobFromBrockley: Human rights and the failings of the Israeli state (Or, I had a shower with a serial rapist)bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15439386754907203808noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-12222413828688030502006-12-20T09:52:00.000+00:002006-12-20T09:52:00.000+00:00But why should this land be a specifically Jewish ...But why should this land be a specifically Jewish state? That makes it inherently discriminatory against non-Jews. No state should have a particular duty towards one set of its citizens based on faith or race. Either citizens are equal, with equal rights and responsibilities, or some are second-class, as in Israel now. I agree, obviously, that Israel has failed. On your criteria, the state you envision would continue to fail a vast swathe of its population. Though I have to say, it's heartening to find someone at least arguing for a single-state solution - there aren't many of us. My fear is that if Palestine is made a state alongside Israel, those defending the rights of Palestinians will think 'job done', and the Arab citizens of Israel will be abandoned and ignored.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-31955152472580767112006-12-15T09:39:00.000+00:002006-12-15T09:39:00.000+00:00GM-
My aspiration for Israel/Palestine is a singl...GM-<br /> My aspiration for Israel/Palestine is a single, multiracial, multifaith state. In the meantime, yes, I want Israel to be as open and pluralistic as possible. <br /> But I think it is also the case that Zionism sets Israel up to a particular moral standard, (a) because the idea of a national home and a refuge amongst the nations for Jews persecuted elsewhere implies a *particular* duty of care for its Jewish residents, and (b) because the idea of a Jewish state should imply honouring Jewish values in some sense. DZ's point, I think, is that *even* on these, the Zionists' own terms, the Israeli state has failed.bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15439386754907203808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-85501874011312451022006-12-13T11:14:00.000+00:002006-12-13T11:14:00.000+00:00Why should Israel be based on specifically Jewish ...Why should Israel be based on specifically Jewish social values, Bob? It is a multi-faith, multi-racial state and always will be unless Lieberman etc get their way and expel all Arabs, which I presume you don't want to see. To have the dominance of one faith written into the very essence and articles of any state is always going to be deeply unjust.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-45307379971145621122006-12-11T15:49:00.000+00:002006-12-11T15:49:00.000+00:00Thanks for the listing Bob!Thanks for the listing Bob!Daniel of "Daniels Counter"https://www.blogger.com/profile/09330661760908633366noreply@blogger.com