tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post3968211313873633705..comments2024-03-01T08:19:54.547+00:00Comments on BobFromBrockley: First miscellaneous round-up post of 2012bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15439386754907203808noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-76870429270989701622012-02-02T02:25:21.719+00:002012-02-02T02:25:21.719+00:00Thanks for the mention, Bob.Thanks for the mention, Bob.Ross Wolfehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14753431796536019173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-11910222138472945022012-01-18T17:41:54.406+00:002012-01-18T17:41:54.406+00:00Thanks Mod. No, not surprisingly no follow up from...Thanks Mod. No, not surprisingly no follow up from Hamilton & the Thieves, although I have to confess I am way, way behind on my e-mails.bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15439386754907203808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-45685465317743919232012-01-17T17:59:43.201+00:002012-01-17T17:59:43.201+00:00Bob,
I wouldn't say completely wrong, we ofte...Bob,<br /><br />I wouldn't say completely wrong, we often write quickly and don't express ourselves as we'd like to, my blog is littered with posts I would prefer to forget or tortured prose, we have all done it. Don't be hard on yourself.<br /><br />I think regular readers know where you are coming from, so it is not an issue, I meant to ask, have you heard anything serious back from the Strawberry Thieves or John Hamilton? <br /><br />Or is it they'd prefer to forget about *their* mistakes?modernity's ghostnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-34238116578559389342012-01-17T10:04:38.461+00:002012-01-17T10:04:38.461+00:00I completely agree with your general point Mod, an...I completely agree with your general point Mod, and I also accept I was completely wrong to describe Baron as a Nazi. What I need convincing of, I think, is that there is no such thing as generic fascism beyond the original Italian party. To me "neo" implies some kind of mutation, rather than simple continuation.bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15439386754907203808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-50704917737730374992012-01-16T16:46:28.583+00:002012-01-16T16:46:28.583+00:00Bob,
As I said, I didn't want to be pedantic ...Bob,<br /><br />As I said, I didn't want to be pedantic but I approach this issue from three strands, communication, linguistics and political language.<br /><br />If we are to have good communication with others then logically we have to share similar meanings to particular objects, ideas and terminology.<br /><br />Otherwise we risk misunderstandings and miscommunication.<br /><br />Linguistically, I think certain ideas have certain commonly agreed labels and it's often quicker if we stick to them.<br /><br />Politics and political exchange only has one currency, language. There is already considerable linguistical inflation permeating from parts of the political spectrum, which ultimately devalues language and politics in turn.<br /><br />Therefore, if we are conducting a semi-serious political discussion or debate then it's probably best to stick to commonly accepted expressions, lest the language detracts from the ideas and you end up with a debate over what terminology should be used, as we’re doing.<br /><br />Further, we need to remember the problem of some of these terms. They are often thrown around with little connection to their original meanings. Anyone remembering the 60s will remember how policeman were often referred to as "fascist pigs", or when the word "fascism" was used to refer to anything that was **nasty**, completely unrelated to its original forms.<br /><br />So I think if we value communication and want to avoid sloppy language then it's probably best to differentiate between Fascists and Nazis of the 1920-40s and their subsequent manifestations.<br /><br />But I don't want to be pedantic :)modernity's ghostnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-4214625631030001692012-01-13T23:42:54.250+00:002012-01-13T23:42:54.250+00:00While it's not a view I share, there is an arg...While it's not a view I share, there is an argument that "fascism" refers specifically to the Italian political ideology and shouldn't be used outside of that context. That narrows it down to much for me- to argue that Nazism is actually "neo-fascism", simply because it took influences from the ideology of the NFP, strikes me as a step to far.<br /><br />That said, I have more time for it as a position then the indiscriminate use of "Nazi" for anybody on the far right. It's mainly an academic argument, whereas I see the latter as damaging tactically.<br /><br />I'm broadly with you (Bob), I think. I think "fascism", at the risk of massively oversimplifying, is a reasonable descriptor for the radical far right. And I would use "Nazi" sometimes, but only to specifically describe those fascist groups significantly influenced by National Socialist ideology and tactics. Combat 18 would qualify. The BNP wouldn't despite having some Nazis in its ranks(Derek Beacon for example).<br /><br />And the Troy Southgate/Alexander Baron axis of the far right definitely aren't Nazis. In fact, I take their hostility to Nazi ideology as genuine. (Although specifically they're referring to the Hitler wing of the NSDAP- they're influenced by the Strassers). Their third positionist Evolaian ideology makes them more dangerous than Nazis in the current situation, arguably even up there with the euronationalist wing of the far right. And, unlike the latter, there's a real lack of serious research and analysis of it.Waterloo Sunsethttp://everybodyhatesatourist.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-58400079797485434582012-01-13T16:43:09.237+00:002012-01-13T16:43:09.237+00:00Thanks all for comments.
Probably I should not h...Thanks all for comments. <br /><br />Probably I should not have said "Nazi". However, I am unsure about the "neo" thing. I sort of see it with Nazi, in that the Nazi party was a specific party at a specific historical moment, but only sort of: are the American Nazi Party not Nazi? Or Covington's National Socialist White People's Party? I don't use the term "neo-Communist" when talking about Communist parties other than the original Russian one.<br /><br />I don't see it at all with "fascist", which surely names a generic ideology and not a particular party?bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15439386754907203808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-37611407353068641122012-01-13T11:27:57.407+00:002012-01-13T11:27:57.407+00:00Agreed, fine set of postings, Phil D makes some go...Agreed, fine set of postings, Phil D makes some good points.<br /><br />If we are going to be picky (and I am the last to be a pedant), shouldn't you be using the terms, neo-Nazi and neo-fascist, etc as most of the original members of the NSDWP and PNF have died off?modernity's ghostnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-887277164965238732012-01-13T02:49:22.397+00:002012-01-13T02:49:22.397+00:00An interesting set of reads. Set me back a few hou...An interesting set of reads. Set me back a few hours tonight.Roland Doddshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17819155097718124744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-83899100882815558902012-01-13T00:42:30.762+00:002012-01-13T00:42:30.762+00:00Just for the record, while I see Baron as a fascis...Just for the record, while I see Baron as a fascist, the descriptor of him as a "Nazi" is Bob's not mine; I disagree that he's part of the Nazi strand on the far right.Waterloo Sunsetnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-26848651744704949782012-01-12T17:16:02.924+00:002012-01-12T17:16:02.924+00:00Thanks, Bob.Thanks, Bob.The Contentious Centristhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07370528817706233156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-57565608673296160502012-01-12T16:54:04.623+00:002012-01-12T16:54:04.623+00:00I'm in agreement with what Phil D says, as you...I'm in agreement with what Phil D says, as you'd expect. What I do think is somewhat lacking from his piece is any analysis of where militant anti-fascism is and where we want to be. I do think we're currently weak, possibly the weakest we've been in the post-war period.<br /><br />And one of the major priorities at the moment has to be consolidating, then moving forward.Waterloo Sunsethttp://everybodyhatesatourist.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.com