tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post7468957568528572158..comments2024-03-01T08:19:54.547+00:00Comments on BobFromBrockley: Marxism, Moonbattery... and Marxismbobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15439386754907203808noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-46490042632860338122010-02-17T11:06:52.230+00:002010-02-17T11:06:52.230+00:00Or this kind of thing:
The discovery of gold and ...Or <a href="http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/ch31.htm" rel="nofollow">this kind of thing</a>:<br /><i><br />The discovery of gold and silver in America, the extirpation, enslavement and entombment in mines of the aboriginal population, the beginning of the conquest and looting of the East Indies, the turning of Africa into a warren for the commercial hunting of black-skins, signalised the rosy dawn of the era of capitalist production. These idyllic proceedings are the chief momenta of primitive accumulation. On their heels treads the commercial war of the European nations, with the globe for a theatre. It begins with the revolt of the Netherlands from Spain, assumes giant dimensions in England’s Anti-Jacobin War, and is still going on in the opium wars against China, &c.<br /><br />The different momenta of primitive accumulation distribute themselves now, more or less in chronological order, particularly over Spain, Portugal, Holland, France, and England. In England at the end of the 17th century, they arrive at a systematical combination, embracing the colonies, the national debt, the modern mode of taxation, and the protectionist system. These methods depend in part on brute force, e.g., the colonial system. But, they all employ the power of the State, the concentrated and organised force of society, to hasten, hot-house fashion, the process of transformation of the feudal mode of production into the capitalist mode, and to shorten the transition. Force is the midwife of every old society pregnant with a new one. It is itself an economic power. </i> <br /><br />(The previous was "early" Marx, <em>The Communist Manifesto</em>; this is "late" Marx, <em>Capital</em>.)bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15439386754907203808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-46510754663042040932010-02-17T11:05:35.001+00:002010-02-17T11:05:35.001+00:00Thanks for coming to the party Paul, but does it? ...Thanks for coming to the party Paul, but does it? I am thinking of <a href="http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto" rel="nofollow">this sort of thing</a>:<br /><i>The bourgeoisie has through its exploitation of the world market given a cosmopolitan character to production and consumption in every country. To the great chagrin of Reactionists, it has drawn from under the feet of industry the national ground on which it stood. All old-established national industries...are daily being destroyed. They are dislodged by new industries, whose introduction becomes a life and death question for all civilised nations, by industries that no longer work up indigenous raw material, but raw material drawn from the remotest zones; industries whose products are consumed, not only at home, but in every quarter of the globe. In place of the old wants, satisfied by the production of the country, we find new wants, requiring for their satisfaction the products of distant lands and climes. In place of the old local and national seclusion and self-sufficiency, we have intercourse in every direction, universal inter-dependence of nations...<br /><br />The bourgeoisie, by the rapid improvement of all instruments of production, by the immensely facilitated means of communication, draws all, even the most barbarian, nations into civilisation. The cheap prices of commodities are the heavy artillery with which it batters down all Chinese walls... It compels all nations, on pain of extinction, to adopt the bourgeois mode of production; it compels them to introduce what it calls civilisation into their midst, i.e. to become bourgeois themselves...<br /><br />The bourgeoisie has subjected the country to the rule of the towns. It has created enormous cities, has greatly increased the urban population as compared with the rural, and has thus rescued a considerable part of the population from the idiocy of rural life. Just as it has made the country dependent on the towns, so it has made barbarian and semi-barbarian countries dependent on the civilised ones, nations of peasants on nations of bourgeois...<br /><br />The bourgeoisie...has created more massive and more colossal productive forces than have all preceding generations together. Subjection of Nature’s forces to man, machinery, application of chemistry to industry and agriculture, steam-navigation, railways, electric telegraphs, clearing of whole continents for cultivation...whole populations conjured out of the ground — what earlier century had even a presentiment that such productive forces slumbered in the lap of social labour?...<br /><br />Modern bourgeois society, with its relations of production, of exchange and of property, a society that has conjured up such gigantic means of production and of exchange, is like the sorcerer who is no longer able to control the powers of the nether world whom he has called up by his spells... It is enough to mention the commercial crises that by their periodical return put the existence of the entire bourgeois society on its trial, each time more threateningly. In these crises, a great part not only of the existing products, but also of the previously created productive forces, are periodically destroyed. In these crises, there breaks out an epidemic that, in all earlier epochs, would have seemed an absurdity — the epidemic of over-production. Society suddenly finds itself put back into a state of momentary barbarism; it appears as if a famine, a universal war of devastation, had cut off the supply of every means of subsistence; industry and commerce seem to be destroyed; and why? Because there is too much civilisation, too much means of subsistence, too much industry, too much commerce... And how does the bourgeoisie get over these crises? On the one hand by enforced destruction of a mass of productive forces; on the other, by the conquest of new markets, and by the more thorough exploitation of the old ones. That is to say, by paving the way for more extensive and more destructive crises, and by diminishing the means whereby crises are prevented.</i>bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15439386754907203808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-54479842646500794942010-02-17T10:37:03.537+00:002010-02-17T10:37:03.537+00:00"For me, it is a central article of my faith ..."For me, it is a central article of my faith (and I admit that there is a sense of religious faith about this) that Marx's ideas are an absolutely necessary element in understanding our world today, a world in which the relentless destructive creativity of capitalism is depleting the earth's resources at a breakneck pace, a world in which the vast majority of humans live unliveable lives, a world in which wars continue without end, a world shaped for the profits of the few and not the happiness of the many."<br /><br />Hate to crash the party, but that sounds more like a description of Malthus and Schumpeter than Marx...Paul Sagarhttp://badconscience.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-12711399372058817942010-02-16T12:00:44.346+00:002010-02-16T12:00:44.346+00:00Good stuff as per, Bob.
The best of Marx I would ...Good stuff as per, Bob.<br /><br />The best of Marx I would classify as such<br /><br />i. Alienation<br />ii. What capitalism and industrialisation actually does to societies?<br />iii. What causes modern economic crisis?<br />iv. Addressing the relationship between economic, political and cultural power.<br /><br />On the other hand, his theory of value, his use of a dialectical method, his primary focus on materialism as an historical engine, his causal anti-semitism and his lack of understanding with regards to capitalist decision making mark his limits.<br /><br />A great thinker, one who saw further, but no prophet as much of the Marxist movements make outsocialrepublicanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15451193630793715133noreply@blogger.com