tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post2549004624885721156..comments2024-03-01T08:19:54.547+00:00Comments on BobFromBrockley: A lot of bullshit about Trayvon Martin and George Zimmermanbobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15439386754907203808noreply@blogger.comBlogger53125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-41464494679292482962013-07-30T06:53:40.467+01:002013-07-30T06:53:40.467+01:00"Judeo-Islamic" tradition doesnt seem to..."Judeo-Islamic" tradition doesnt seem to have caught on.<br /><br />Though their seems to be some push for "The Abrahamic Faiths." Mostly that term seems to be used for nefarious purposes.<br /><br />EVAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-56754628051840004742013-07-29T22:36:16.662+01:002013-07-29T22:36:16.662+01:00I used to think it was a term that mischaracterize...I used to think it was a term that mischaracterized Jewish Christian relationship, because on the big religious questions of Christ there was a deep disagreement that can never be solved. At most some Jews regard Jesus as a lay rabbi, a teacher (there is a very interesting book by an Israeli professor about Jesus as he emerged from Hebrew writings of the period). But as we have come a long way from religion being the final arbiter between people and cultures, the age of secularism if you like, at least when we talk of Judaism and Christianity, there emerged a commonality of ethos that can and is rightly referred to in this manner. Somehow I do not see the same sort of congeniality in a phrase like "The Islamo-Christian" tradition.<br /><br />But these are just my own musings.The Contentious Centristhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07370528817706233156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-34268917421270664782013-07-29T22:10:44.452+01:002013-07-29T22:10:44.452+01:00Curious to how your perspective evolved. If you h...Curious to how your perspective evolved. If you have the time.<br /><br />EVAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-8937371288374413022013-07-28T22:43:39.979+01:002013-07-28T22:43:39.979+01:00Judeo-Christian is a benign attempt to describe th...Judeo-Christian is a benign attempt to describe the uniqueness of Western liberal thinking. Some people oppose it on the grounds that it is a misleading term that purports to suggest a commonality between Christianity and Judaism whereas in fact there is no such commonality, from a strictly religious point of view. The reason being that Jews have never accepted the messianity of Jesus. my own thoughts about it evolved over the years and I happen to think that a Judeo-Christian tradition is a proper way to describing the core ethos of Western thought. If you remove all the mythology what we are left with a code of being and behaving in the would, which could be summed up simply as: Don't be a jerk. <br /><br />Does that answer your question? The Contentious Centristhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07370528817706233156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-20374642990775584672013-07-28T22:08:37.517+01:002013-07-28T22:08:37.517+01:00Noga, Id be interested in your thoughts on the ter...Noga, Id be interested in your thoughts on the term "Judeo-Christian" which came into fashion the (later) 20th Century. Do you think this is an attempt at smearing Jews with the taint of Christian oppressors? Like lumping Jews in with skin privileged White (European Christians)?<br /><br />EV<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-86443926720160479012013-07-28T07:42:03.250+01:002013-07-28T07:42:03.250+01:00Looks like the vile lawfare organization Freedom F...Looks like the vile lawfare organization Freedom From Religion Foundation is in on the action too.<br /><br />http://aclj.org/us-constitution/angry-atheist-attack-star-of-david-holocaust-memorial-reprehensible<br /><br />Conveniently, when you dissallow the expression of religious ideas, tradition, philosophy in informing governance and law, then that leave only Atheist approved perspectives as allowed to inform government policy and law. How convenient, heh? Radical secularization is not liberal, it's tyrannical.<br /><br />EV<br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-39617916453586292122013-07-27T23:35:45.943+01:002013-07-27T23:35:45.943+01:00Sorry. i misremembered the name. It is Nadia abu e...Sorry. i misremembered the name. It is Nadia abu elHaj and here is a good account of her researches:<br /><br />http://publicbooks.org/nonfiction/scientific-semitism-exceptional-or-exemplaryThe Contentious Centristhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07370528817706233156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-83914997550106366892013-07-27T05:03:45.510+01:002013-07-27T05:03:45.510+01:00We have our disagreements Bob.
I thought you and ...We have our disagreements Bob.<br /><br />I thought you and Noga might find this interesting.<br /><br /><br />-------------<br /><br />American Atheists president David Silverman, who is opposed to a Ohio Holocaust memorial that will display a Jewish "Star of David" symbol, said on Fox News Friday afternoon, "It's important that we don't give the Holocaust just to the Jews."<br /><br />http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2013/07/26/Its-important-that-we-dont-give-the-Holocaust-just-to-the-Jews-Athestist-Fighting-Ohio-Memorial<br /><br /><br />Also related...<br /><br />FIRST ATHEIST MONUMENT ON GOVERNMENT LAND TO BE UNVEILED<br /><br />http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2013/06/08/Atheists-Unveil-First-Monument-On-Government-Property-in-US-History<br /><br />EVAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-74686753625899872222013-07-27T01:21:26.246+01:002013-07-27T01:21:26.246+01:00I've not heard of Nadia el Hadge - please tel...I've not heard of Nadia el Hadge - please tell me more.<br /><br />More substantively, I am not "blaming" (some) Jews for having (some) "white skin privilege". I explicitly said I don't see it as a moral issue. I simply think it is a fact that most Jews in the West who are not visibly Jewish don't experience the effects of everyday racism which have an enormous impact on the lives of all black people. It's not something I'd make a big deal of on my own, but if the topic of Jews and "white skin privilege" comes up that's my response. Further, I kind of think we need to at least acknowledge this if we want to understand contemporary antisemitism and how it relates to other forms of racism, including anti-black racism. bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15439386754907203808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-15701186640338143902013-07-25T22:59:23.487+01:002013-07-25T22:59:23.487+01:00Critical Race Theory Explained by Ben Shapiro
htt...Critical Race Theory Explained by Ben Shapiro<br /><br />http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/03/11/What%20Is%20Critical%20Race%20Theory<br /><br />EVAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-67603147120803331382013-07-25T21:21:21.518+01:002013-07-25T21:21:21.518+01:00When White Israeli Jews are accused of "privi...When White Israeli Jews are accused of "privilege" for the purpose of delegitimizing Israel it is offensive and Anti-Semitic.<br /><br />It is just as offensive when it's done to White European Christians for the purpose of delegitimizing their nation states and institutions and it is Anti-EuropeanChristianism. <br /><br />EV <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-22990921843248914822013-07-25T15:19:47.511+01:002013-07-25T15:19:47.511+01:00Your just hypersensitive, Noga.
That isnt a defe...Your just hypersensitive, Noga. <br /><br />That isnt a defense of Angry Arab, who is truly despicable and deranged.<br /><br />Israeli Jews and European Christians are under the same deligitmiing fire from the Western Left. You just have sympathy for one and not the other. Whilst I oppose them both. Bob thinks that Whites are inherently racist and thus privileged as well. However in your mind Jews arent priveleged in Israel. It's those ebil white European Christians, dont ya know. <br /><br />And so the demonization of white Europeans continues, whilst people deny it. <br /><br />Im here to say that it is OK to be a white European, no matter what hatefilled bile is hurled at you. It's OK to be proud of your culture, history, and heritage. There is no perfect people on Earth. Be proud of who you are and be proud to preserve and promote the well being and future of your people and culture. Dont wgither away from the hatred that is heaped upon you by "Others." You have a right to be and live on this planet just like everybody else, and in your own nation states that havent been diversified away, just like everybody else.<br /><br />That doesnt make me a horrible person. Im still classically liberal. I just dont buy into the self hatred that Im being force fed by the education system and the media, etc.<br /><br />EVAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-70894702453210571662013-07-25T12:55:46.200+01:002013-07-25T12:55:46.200+01:00EV: In your sensibilities and search for making yo...EV: In your sensibilities and search for making your case that European Whites are a persecuted lot, you will stop at nothing. In fact I highly recommend you read The Angry Arab News Service blog, (which I follow closely on my own blog) to find a kindred spirit. He also likes to make the point that Zionism is always racism and brings examples from the African so called refugees who managed to get into Israel through its Southern border. I can see a long and thriving friendship there for you, dear EV. <br /><br />Of course EV's so called admiration for Israel is based on his own interest of roping in the Jewish state for his own unfathomable ends. That is why I do not take him seriously. He knows next to nothing about Jewish history yet dares to draw analogies between them and white Europeans, or Christians, or whatever.The Contentious Centristhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07370528817706233156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-73573345779315491142013-07-25T12:00:45.478+01:002013-07-25T12:00:45.478+01:00Bob, I cannot see how you miss or underestimate, t...Bob, I cannot see how you miss or underestimate, the outrageousness of blaming Jews for having white skin privileges. It is just as racist to say so as it is to blame them for anything that marks them out, whether good or bad. Jews have nowhere to fit into in this type of thinking. For black racists, they are white people who deserve contempt for "passing" rather than being authentically white. For white racists they can pass for white but are not really white so that is a source of great anxiety and hatred. For me personally, there is no better place to be then in this in-between hostilities, as far as cultivated selfhood goes but most people who happen to be normal want to feel secure and to belong somewhere that can actually offer safety. Why would you encourage anyone, or justify them, to pursue this line of thinking? Stereotypes of Jews as wily and dangerous shape-shifters have hounded Jews throughout history and there is an entire literature forming around the ideas that Jews are not at all who they claim to be, beginning with Edward Said's Moses theory and through the more recent attempts by the likes of Nadia El-Hadje to deny Jews their identity on a racial basis. Why would anyone wish to be a part of that conversation and give it legitimacy by buying into the shape-shifting myth? <br /> The Contentious Centristhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07370528817706233156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-34543589844222517922013-07-25T03:37:00.193+01:002013-07-25T03:37:00.193+01:00It's an ugly thing to say and accuse white Eur...It's an ugly thing to say and accuse white European Christians of, as well, Noga. <br /><br />The White Devil and his skin privilege. <br /><br /><br />Of note...related...<br /><br />Israel is now in the process of mass detention and deportation of dark skinned Africans. <br /><br />EVAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-86575622776044146522013-07-25T03:20:19.752+01:002013-07-25T03:20:19.752+01:00I would hope one day we live in a world where no-o...I would hope one day we live in a world where no-one has more or less privilege than anyone else because of their perceived race or identity. In the meantime, I wouldn't want those who have a precarious claim to some limited privileges to give them up or atone for them or anything; I don't see there being anything immoral in not being the victim of racism; I'm not blaming light-skinned Jews for the fact that they are not visibly marked out as subjects of routine racism. <br /><br />Nor am I denying them whatever badge of honour some might see in being victims (not that I would want to claim that badge myself). As I said, the everyday benefits of whiteness (for some) co-exist with the continued (even revived) vitality of antisemitism. <br /><br />I don't understand why that's an ugly thing to say. bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15439386754907203808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-61242822391364468202013-07-25T00:08:30.693+01:002013-07-25T00:08:30.693+01:00"I think I would go so far as to say that som..."I think I would go so far as to say that some and perhaps even most Jews in contemporary North America and Western Europe do, to a certain extent, benefit from "white skin privileges" in that, in as far as they are taken for or pass for "white people""<br /><br />What does that mean, Bob? What are Jews who have pale skin to do in order to declare to the world that they are not white and that they should not benefit from the privilege of their skin colour? Should they perhaps, in order to satisfy the needs of Rancid leftists and grievance-filled minorities wear a certain marker? If they are not religious and do not wear a kippa then what other options are there? A yellow ribbon, perhaps? Or perhaps there shouldn't be Jews anymore thus there will be no confusing problems with identifying them by colour. <br /><br />It is an ugly thing to say and accuse Jews of, no matter how you parse it. <br /><br />The Contentious Centristhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07370528817706233156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-8524602697936340912013-07-24T23:22:53.277+01:002013-07-24T23:22:53.277+01:00Re: Conservative bloggers and others bringing up b...Re: Conservative bloggers and others bringing up black-on-black crime<br /><br />I wonder if it is not as common in black families, in the relevant parts of America, to have "the talk" with their sons about gangs and violence as it is to talk have "the talk" about white men in guns. My hunch is that they already have that talk on quite a major scale. <br /><br />"The talk" needed is bigger than that: the talk about why it is and how to stop it. As TNC says, that talk does need to start in black communities (not "the" black community) and it needs to also go bigger than that too. And, to repeat myself, it needs to include both the structural/social stuff and the moral/cultural stuff. bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15439386754907203808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-59755570567335154422013-07-24T23:18:35.180+01:002013-07-24T23:18:35.180+01:00I vaguely recall the debate you're referring t...I vaguely recall the debate you're referring to Noga. It was either Michael Staudenmaier who had a blog on the history of the Sojourner Truth Organisation, or it was his associate in the 3-Way Fight group Matthew Lyons. I missed the discussion. <br /><br />Interestingly, Zimmerman has been cast as a Jew - including by the New Black Panther Party when they put a bounty on his head ("a no good Jew") and also some white supremacists who've disavowed him (watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5nvaTlM9f8). For some kinds of black identity politics - based on a morbid attachment to a damaged identity - it is commonplace to both hate Jews in an old-fashioned antisemitic way and see them as bearers of white skin privilege.<br /><br />I think I would go so far as to say that some and perhaps even most Jews in contemporary North America and Western Europe do, to a certain extent, benefit from "white skin privileges" in that, in as far as they are taken for or pass for "white people" they do not experience the constant (sometimes banal, sometimes brutal) everyday racism experienced by those who are visibly "non-white" - and, especially, those who are visibly "black". Put a yarmulke or other sign of visible difference on a Jew, and that privilege can vanish fairly quickly, at least in many circumstances. <br /><br />That doesn't negate the reality of high levels of antisemitic discourse and action, including that coming from some non-white people, as demonstrated in the adding of the antisemitic salt to the Zimmerman demonisation stew. <br /><br />---<br /><br />And OK, I completely take back what I said about the mainstream left and Sharpton. It's a terrible indictment of the American left that they take such a malignant clown seriously. That's not my left. bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15439386754907203808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-40378880148078187352013-07-24T14:16:44.982+01:002013-07-24T14:16:44.982+01:00Re: Conservative bloggers and others bringing up b...Re: Conservative bloggers and others bringing up black-on-black crime<br /><br />Whether someone brings up black-on-black crime because they are concerned about the issue and want to get to some sort of solution is not the issue. What matters is the complete lack of balance and perspective in this conversation. All the discussion about "the talk" that black parents need to have w/ their kids, as if the greatest threat they face is from white folks w/ guns. It's other black youth that they need to be concerned about. Every time there is a young black victim of a shooting, it is over 95% likely that the shooter was another black youth. This is “the talk” that needs to take place. Riley is correct that this needs to start in the black community because if people who are not black bring it up they are condemned as racists. <br /><br />Re: Sharpton<br />Bob, I think you are underplaying his influence. As EV points out, he is no David Duke. Duke is a racial extremist and treated as one. Sharpton has a cable news program (MSNBC) and is rolled out as an expert on race on the major networks and many other media outlets. He is the head of a multi-million shakedown operation but says he earns no money as an activist in order to avoid paying taxes. He may not be a personal friend of President Obama, but the two have hung out at the White House and political events. He is good friends with much of the Black Caucus. Granted, he is seen as a buffoon outside of some very limited audiences but money and political connections = power or at the least, influence. He may not be part of the liberal establishment but he is a recognized voice of the progressive/”social justice” wing of the Democratic Party. <br /><br />Re: Holder<br />Even more troubling is AG Holder. He is someone who actually has quite a bit of power and appears incredibly biased regarding which cases the Department pursues. It is starting to look like Holder believes white peeps cannot have their civil rights violated, which is extremely disturbing. That combined with his comment that we are a “nation of cowards” when it comes to race, the DOJ *assisting* activists in the Trayvon Martin protests, his role in the “Fast and Furious” cover up, etc. make him an incredibly polarizing figure. <br /><br />I remember back during the W Bush years when all those attorneys were getting fired from the DOJ Civil Rights Division. I actually had a conversation with one in an airport. Liberals said it was a “political purge” and that “good qualified attorneys” were being replaced with “political cronies”. If what J. Christian Adams says is correct, that attorneys were refusing to prosecute cases that had white victims and *that* is why they were fired, I wonder how long this was going on? <br /><br />The Division was started to have a federal mechanism to enforce the Constitutional rights of blacks at a time when those rights were being refused to them by local and state authorities in the South. But, over time, the Division’s scope was expanded to other people of color and eventually became almost “colorblind”. Today, the Division is tasked with enforcing, “federal statutes prohibiting discrimination on the basis of race, color, sex, disability, religion, familial status and national origin.” That is vague enough to include everyone. TNCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-67080033513491814302013-07-24T06:27:41.201+01:002013-07-24T06:27:41.201+01:00Oops links...
http://www.theroot.com/views/does-s...Oops links...<br /><br />http://www.theroot.com/views/does-sharpton-have-white-house-speed-dial<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SBFREiCkf8#at=417Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-12949738550547880722013-07-24T06:26:03.554+01:002013-07-24T06:26:03.554+01:00If you had any doubt at all about the political cl...If you had any doubt at all about the political clout the Rev. Al Sharpton has accrued since the start of the Obama administration, seeing the political heavyweights who showed up and spoke at the 20th-anniversary convention of his National Action Network (April 6-9) should put those doubts to rest. President Barack Obama himself made remarks at a gala celebration for the convention Wednesday night in New York City, with several cabinet secretaries addressing the gathering in daytime sessions.<br /><br />Earlier in the day, U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder, Education Secretary Arne Duncan, Housing and Urban Development Secretary Shaun Donovan and EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson, as well as former Senior White House Adviser David Axelrod, all addressed a packed room of hundreds of members and guests of NAN at the Sheraton hotel in Manhattan. <br /><br />Oh yeah, Al Sharpton hasnt been embraced by the mainstream Left. <br /><br />Ha! Ha! That's a good on Bob From Brockley.<br /><br />Here is Al Sharpton giving the primetime speech Wednesday night at the Democratic National Convention. Notice how enthusiastic the Democratic delegates are. <br /><br />Al Sharpton, isnt embraced by the mainstream Left? <br /><br />How many times has he visited the White House? How many times has he shared a stage with Congressional Black Caucus members?<br /><br />Really?<br /><br />EVAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-67393603725942821552013-07-24T03:38:24.779+01:002013-07-24T03:38:24.779+01:00"The family rescued by George Zimmerman after..."The family rescued by George Zimmerman after a rollover crash in Florida are terrified they will become targets for hate mobs."<br /><br />"Mark and Dana Michelle Gerstle told friends they do not want to talk publicly about Zimmerman for fear they will be accused of portraying him as a hero — and face a backlash from those who consider he got away with murder. 'They are very grateful to Zimmerman for what he did, but they do not want to get involved,' said a friend, who asked not to be named."<br /><br /><br />What does this reveal about America, Bob? Remember Zimmerman's parents are in hiding.<br /><br />EVAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-47895949544586181362013-07-24T03:03:03.194+01:002013-07-24T03:03:03.194+01:00And here you go Bob. You can believe what you wan...And here you go Bob. You can believe what you want to believe, but the truth is out there. (Just not coming from the Martin legal team or the Leftwing MSM).<br /><br />"Whoopsie – Um, well lets take a look at this, shall we: The capacity of the Trayvon Martin supporters and Scheme Team to boldly lie is quite staggering. The latest *cough* claim from the schemers is their protestations that the Martin Family and family Attorneys did not support the New Black Panther Party."<br /><br />Notice the Panthers holding up a Wanted Dead or Alive $10,000 reward poster/handbill of George Zimmerman (a Felony). But of course Holder's DOJ CRS was involved and they wont be charging anybody with a civil rights crime in that picture. Which is further damning of Obama's Justice Department and Eric Holder the Attorney General of the USofA...not to mention the Civil Rights Division of said DOJ.<br /><br />http://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/mellon-park-rally.jpg?w=640&h=356<br /><br />Remember when Obama shared a podium with the New Black Panthers down in Selma, Alabama, before the 2008 Presidential Election? <br /><br />http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4750647229547263&pid=1.7<br /><br />Remember Loretta King of the Obama Administration DOJ Civil Rights Division who in 2009 stepped in to protect the New Black Panthers from Voting Rights law prosecution? Remember Obama condemning it? Remember Eric Holder condemning it? <br /><br />Wake up and smell the Black racists all up in our institutions Bob.<br /><br />EVAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-5323248984890654662013-07-24T02:38:55.161+01:002013-07-24T02:38:55.161+01:00If George Zimmerman was cast as a Jew, then I bet ...If George Zimmerman was cast as a Jew, then I bet Bob could clearly see the ugliness of what occured here.<br /><br />George Zimmerman is mixed race and speaks fluent Spanish. Some of his friends and family call him Jorge. He voted for Obama and is a Democrat. He identifies as a Hispanic/Latino.<br /><br />The man was transformed into the White Devil for a racist lynching. And the Left and the Black Authorities (Holder and Obama) supported the lynching, and pressured the local authorities to comply. <br /><br />It's as simple as that.<br /><br />That means that blacks have institutional power to persecute others. They therefore pass the moved goalpost of the defintion of racism. That Noga cant see that, and insists that I am discredited by my observation is exactly what Bob did, but he called it the ZOG conspiracy. <br /><br />Noga, I think you would enjoy the J. Christian Adams book. It goes into detail about a situation down in Alabama where a black majority locality abused the voting rights of the white minority. And the DOJ Voting Section of the Civil Rights Division's actions (or lack of actions) surrounding it. <br /><br />You may revise your assessment of mine persecution narrative. <br /><br />Really Noga, do you think that the Palestinian Human Rights activists might indulge in some payback against their perceived Israeli Jewish Oppressors given the power and opportunity. This is basic human nature stuff. As Martin Luther King Jr. stated. <br /><br />But there is something that I must say to my people who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice. In the process of gaining our rightful place we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred.<br /><br />But that is exactly what has happened. As the zeitgeist at the DOJ Voting Rights Section of the Civil Rights Division is dominated by people who came from a movement that claimed equality before the law as a great moral burden, but now dominate a powerful instituion in which they deny white Americans equal justice by race neutral enforcment of the Voting Rights law. They have succumbed to bitterness and hatred...and have the power to impose their will upon those they hate, by denying them justice.<br /><br />That is just the plain fact of the matter. Sorry to burst your bubble. People are still being denied their right to vote in Alabama, just the places of the races have changed. And as far as Obama and Holder are concerned, it's for the better.<br /><br />EVAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com