tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post3350929906585823705..comments2024-03-01T08:19:54.547+00:00Comments on BobFromBrockley: Whiskey, stetsons, punch-ups, drunkards and mayorsbobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15439386754907203808noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-18137549470181248842012-06-20T20:52:14.918+01:002012-06-20T20:52:14.918+01:00Bob, I agree. If in the name of freedom of speech ...Bob, I agree. If in the name of freedom of speech he wants to allow nutty comments then that’s his right. But most people would distance themselves from such texts. A simple ‘I don’t endorse these views in any way, shape or form’ would suffice to me. But he doesn’t do that. <br />visit me on <strong><a href="http://ironehtc.blogspot.com/2012/06/creating-history-together-with.html" title="Creating History Together With ArenaBetting Piala Eropa 2012" rel="nofollow">Creating History Together With ArenaBetting Piala Eropa 2012 </a></strong>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-86358618427742694032012-05-31T19:09:14.171+01:002012-05-31T19:09:14.171+01:00One thing I meant to pick up on, but forget. Harve...One thing I meant to pick up on, but forget. Harvey said:<br /><i>[Israeli and American Jewish soft EDL support] is naive and based on a lack of contact with the far right . <br />British Jews are far more aware of the dangerS of the EDL etc</i><br /><br />I think this is true. I am less worried when American/Israeli Jews say positive things about the EDL: they are out of basic ignorance of the local situation. (Although I am worried to the extent that they exert considerable influence on the agenda in the UK, and to the extent that they might fund the counterjihad network.) I am more worried when British Jews support the EDL, precisely because they should be more aware of the dangers of the EDL, as Harvey is. I hope that his view prevails here, and not Daniel Marks'. <br /><br />This is exactly why I think it is important that people like me continue to raise this issue (and why I am especially gratified when people from the Zionist right like Harvey do), and not leave it up to the anti-Zionists perceived as wingnuts by most mainstream Jews. <br /><br />The bottom line is that any association with the EDL and its like is bad in itself, and is bad for the defence of Israel, and is bad for British Jews. If members of BIC, the Ahava picket or the ZF consort with the EDL, or even tolerate their presence, than they become part of the problem.bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15439386754907203808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-45371806764505087742012-05-31T19:00:39.711+01:002012-05-31T19:00:39.711+01:00OK, no more accusations or counter-accusations of ...OK, no more accusations or counter-accusations of trollery, true or untrue. Any more will be simply deleted. I don't want this to be a place for personal snidery and rudeness, however passionate people feel. If you can't be civil, you're not welcome. <br /><br />However, please do (civilly) debate the actual politics of this, because I think this is important.bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15439386754907203808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-38987597360736983322012-05-31T13:27:17.006+01:002012-05-31T13:27:17.006+01:00Harvey,
You've no idea what 'Internet tro...Harvey,<br /><br />You've no idea what 'Internet troll' actually means, do you?Gerthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07752117708821629614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-77937199673360022212012-05-31T11:36:54.004+01:002012-05-31T11:36:54.004+01:00Gert
True . Richard does allow Daniel Marks to co...Gert <br />True . Richard does allow Daniel Marks to comment . But then again he allows you as well as Rich to comment freely . Both inveterate trolls and traducers . <br />So you cannot accuse Richard of lack of balance .Harveynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-48422389273713395962012-05-30T20:54:36.187+01:002012-05-30T20:54:36.187+01:00”I don't think that Richard Millett can be hel...<i>”I don't think that Richard Millett can be held responsible for Daniel Marks' views, but as Gert says, when Marks says this kind of thing (quite regularly) he gets no censure.”</i><br /><br />Bob, I agree. If in the name of freedom of speech he wants to allow nutty comments then that’s his right. But most people would distance themselves from such texts. A simple ‘I don’t endorse these views in any way, shape or form’ would suffice to me. But he doesn’t do that.Gerthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07752117708821629614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-47808928610250184292012-05-30T16:15:18.834+01:002012-05-30T16:15:18.834+01:00Joe and Joseph are the same person, I can reveal.Joe and Joseph are the same person, I can reveal.Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10852636834188589047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-89360912638680651432012-05-30T16:13:42.744+01:002012-05-30T16:13:42.744+01:00This comment has been removed by the author.Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10852636834188589047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-80880186369620405402012-05-30T15:02:41.761+01:002012-05-30T15:02:41.761+01:00Thanks Joseph. Apologies to Joe for my rendering o...Thanks Joseph. Apologies to Joe for my rendering of Millis as Meilis above. <br /><br />I don't think that Richard Millett can be held responsible for Daniel Marks' views, but as Gert says, when Marks says this kind of thing (quite regularly) he gets no censure. Mod, don't you think that matters?<br /><br />I'd like to think there could be a shift, and that we can hear more from the Zionist right in the vein of Harvey's denunciation of the EDL. But until that becomes the norm rather than the exception, I personally will steer very clear of the whole crowd.bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15439386754907203808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-31356581650778853492012-05-30T14:00:41.023+01:002012-05-30T14:00:41.023+01:00I am glad to see Harvey has changed his tune on th...I am glad to see Harvey has changed his tune on the EDL. Even more glad that Jonathan H seems to have realised that there was no mileage in keeping schtum on the joint demos. <br />One point though. I was at the Globe last night for the excellent performance by Habima of The Merchant of Venice. The production was astoundingly good, the acting was superb and Yaakov Cohen is probably the best Shylock of this generation. I think the pro-habima demo was joyful, positive and well done and was able to unite rather than divide. <br />Contrast that with the caterwauling of Debora Fink at the PSC demo. <br />And there's the rub (a different Shakespeare play, I know). More often than not, the right wing of the Zionist movement have indulged in attacks on those who do not believe in their way. Not only the PSC, but usually those of the Zionist left. They also have a bit of a blind spot when choosing allies. Sometimes, the enemy of my enemy is not my friend; the enemy of my enemy is a manipulative bugger who will use and then discard you like a second-hand Kleenex. <br />Their actions have done themselves no favours and have done Israel a disservice.Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10852636834188589047noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-31378175526881848942012-05-28T19:20:39.138+01:002012-05-28T19:20:39.138+01:00For those wanting to pass judgement on Millett and...For those wanting to pass judgement on Millett and his questionable friends, checkout this comment, on his blog:<br /><br />http://richardmillett.wordpress.com/2011/05/24/abdel-bari-atwan-at-amnesty-i-get-worse-coverage-than-hitler-would-in-the-jewish-chronicle/#comment-8114<br /><br />Daniel Marks | May 25, 2011 at 1:23 pm |<br /><i>The Marks family spent a charming few days one summer in the Golan, hosted (very reasonably priced) by Michael Ben Horin, self declared president of the State of Judea and about as extreme as they come.<br /><br />On our last night sipping on home-made something or other, Ben Horin explained to me his philosophy. The man is an aeronautical engineer and nobody’s fool. He knows he’ll never lead Israel. He explained that his job is to make the moderate Israeli Right look good. They can point to me and say, “We’d like to be more flexible, but we have the crazies like Ben Horin to consider too.<br /><br />Such is the role of the EDL and Roberta Moore, who I have learned to respect and become quite fond of in recent days. If a Zionist speaker is talking and the Left or fundamentalist Moslems think of disrupting, there should be several nasty, chunky looking tattooed gentlemen there to put the fear of (our) G-d into them. If need be, the speaker should make it clear that he never invited the EDL along and disagrees with their behavior (nudge, nudge, wink, wink). Similarly if, hypothetically, some EDL members should disrupt an anti-Semitic speaker or just wait for him outside and kick his head in (steel tipped boots are always good) such actions must be squarely condemned by all official Jewish bodies.<br /><br />I know that it sounds like a rather thankless task, but that is the best service the EDL can provide the Jewish community as well as the future of Western Civilization. Nobody is going to award anyone knighthoods for their actions, but I do believe that both my grandchildren and theirs will be extremely proud and grateful one day.</i><br /><br />Daniel Marks is one of Millett’s friends and a settler from Ma’ale Adumim. From Millett re. this comment? Not a PEEP!Gerthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07752117708821629614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-56753204171821267202012-05-28T06:55:30.032+01:002012-05-28T06:55:30.032+01:00Well - I am sorry if I put all that too strongly, ...Well - I am sorry if I put all that too strongly, and I am sure you have spoken against racism on other occasions. I do often seem to disagree with you about things - but not about everything (and I'll be at the Globe tonight).Sarah ABhttp://hurryupharry.org/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-38553996101131174222012-05-27T20:50:28.065+01:002012-05-27T20:50:28.065+01:00"JH doesn't seem to have exerted himself ..."JH doesn't seem to have exerted himself to demonstrate his own commitment against racism"<br /><br />Nonsense. I have denounced racism on many occasions.<br /><br />http://hurryupharry.org/2011/11/04/jonathan-hoffman-ujs-tony-greenstein-and-the-edl/<br /><br />I fight against racism against Jews and others. I was instrumental in fighting the visit of Griffin and Irving to Oxford University Union Society. I spent hours campaigning and I went there for the demo. (It's my University).<br />There are plenty of other examples.<br /><br />Sarah, I really thought better of you!<br /><br />As for not admonishing someone at the Hendon demo last week, my defence (though I do not need to defend myself) is in the Langlaben site. <br /><br />He alleged: "The person shouting racist abuse at the young Pakistani man was standing right next to Jonathan Hoffman”<br /><br />My response: "Actually I was moving around. You are wrong again. I heard one comment from someone who seemed to be Israeli but that was it. By the way I suffer from tinnitus and my hearing is not great. But of course you would not know that."<br /><br />I have no intention of devoting my life to rebutting smears on the internet, from the vile Greenstein and his ilk. But I would be grateful if apparently decent people such as Sarah didn't give those smears legs. I find this attitude on parts of the Left that if you don't denounce racism you must be one to be so anti-intellectual. It's a 'gun at head' mentality. No-one seems to be prepared to call it ridiculous.<br /><br />Some of us have lives beyond websites.<br /><br />See you all at the Globe the next two nights supporting Habima.<br /><br />Jonathan HoffmanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-21139407619359077942012-05-27T10:50:34.581+01:002012-05-27T10:50:34.581+01:00I have not really thought of it that way, nor have...I have not really thought of it that way, nor have I seen any empirical research that would prove your assertion although you may well be right . I know more about Israel than I do about the US having lived there and also through work related .<br />I should start by saying that the vast majority of Israelis have obviously never experienced antisemitism of the type we in the Diaspora occasionally experience .<br />Theirs has been till now , solely of an existential nature either through outright warfare ,or incessant terrorist attacks especially during the second Intifada . Having failed to achieve their goals thus far ,those intent on Israels elimination have supplemented earlier attempts through the use of BDS by utilising mass media and social networking. Organisations such as MEMRI and Palestinian Media Watch , monitor the degree of demonisation not only <br />by the statements of individuals such as Ahmedinejad and Nasrallah but also the indoctrination of the population as a whole and children in particular. Im sure you are well aware of the Hamas Charter and so i will not go into chapter and verse over its parallels with Nazi ideology .<br />So where does this leave us . The few comments that Ive seen from Israelis on UK blogs tend to be fairly nuanced . As I said earlier ,I am aware of few who are in any way sympathetic to the far right . When it does occur , it is out of a total lack of understanding of the far right and their methods and objectives . For these few individuals , they mistakenly see the right as some sort of bulwark against radical Islam ,the instigators and proponents of the only antisemitism they have ever experienced . <br />It is naive and based on a lack of contact with the far right . <br />British Jews are far more aware of the dangerS of the EDL etc Equally,it should made clear ,that contemporary antisemitism is no longer confined to the far right but is very much part of the DNA of radical Islamism and their far left lackeys .<br />Finally , for the most part Israelis are oblivious and fairly dismissive to all the machinations and posturing of the bds movement , UK Islamists etc .They are far too busy working and creating a thriving industrious country and able to enjoy the fruits of their labour .Its a source of constant amusement ,especially among those in the Telecoms and Hi Tech fields, that while the BDS are busy clearing the shelves of a few grapes and oranges ,they are using Israeli technology in order to coordinate their actions .harveynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-7288094094940973622012-05-26T22:56:01.075+01:002012-05-26T22:56:01.075+01:00Thanks Harvey. One other thing, which I can't ...Thanks Harvey. One other thing, which I can't remember if I've said before, is that (as at Harry's Place) a lot of the commenters more supportive (or less critical) of the EDL seem to be doing so from afar, from the US or Israel, whereas fewer British Jews seem to be taken in.bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15439386754907203808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-15394570196730544382012-05-26T21:41:23.287+01:002012-05-26T21:41:23.287+01:00Bob
Id forgotten the comment you referred to but ...Bob <br />Id forgotten the comment you referred to but stand by every word . Unlike some ,Im well able to differentiate between the vast majority of Muslims who are an integral part of British society and that of the minority of extremists that form part of the Islamist / far left alliance . <br />I have ,on several occasions made my own unilateral protest in Tower Hamlets against the EDL when they tried to march through this predominantly Asian area . The last time I went I hadnt realised the march had been cancelled .<br />I emphasise my unilateral protest as the thought that I would stand with the psc ,a mirror image of the EDL ,would be an utter anathema .<br />My presence was also a mark of respect to my late father and uncles who fought the Battle of Cable Street against Mosleys black shirts and prevented them from entering the predominantly Jewish neighbourhoods . Today it is the turn of the Asian community . Some things never change. Except that their cause and interests have been commandeered by latter day fascists and racists . <br />A final point . Most of the individuals commenting on Richards blog are no more supportive of the EDL than me . Again Its important to differentiate between outright support of this political entity , and occasional blow hard comments borne out of a sense of growing alarm and frustration at what they perceive as the rising tide of overt antisemitism which threatens both Israel and diaspora Jews . <br />Perhaps I am just a little more detached and able to identify these differences so as to distinguish between misguided support for the EDL and loathing for the antisemites of the psc tendency .<br />Bob , I can assure you that the former are a tiny minority . The Jewish experience makes it impossible to present itself <br />in any other way .Harveynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-33111931707473266342012-05-26T20:51:33.445+01:002012-05-26T20:51:33.445+01:00Bob
The next misconception I would like to tackle...Bob <br />The next misconception I would like to tackle is the alleged involvement of the EDL and our small group of pro Israel grass roots activists . <br />For strategic interests, and specifically not wishing to disclose full rebuttal evidence which I have meticulously researched and filed away in the event that it is required for a demonstrable defamation by a substantial individual or organisation , Im happy to paint a few broad brush strokes .<br />The EDL together with Roberta Moore showed up on several occasions at our regular counter demos outside Ahava . They were not invited ,were not wanted and were asked to leave or stand seperate from our group. <br />We were all well aware that their motives for being there were nothing to do with any concern for Israel or love of Jews but were a fairly transparent attempt to further the discord between both sides . A sort of mailgn enemy of my enemy is my friend sort of thing.Except no one on our side was buying it. I asked the police to remove them and was firmly told that unless they were creating a disturbance they were free to demonstrate where they wished . <br />It was at this point where the bds filmed their proximity to us and in true Stalinist fashion used lies and disinformation to promote their political agenda . Their excellence in this is evidence of painstaking training down at politbureau headquarters under the leadership of Greenstein and his fellow miscreants .<br />A left leaning Jewish newspaper was sent photos and printed a scurrilous editorial linking us to the EDL . A vicious lie which was rebutted the following week in my printed letter .<br />Unfortunately the adage that a lie is half way round the world before the truth is out of bed is so very true .<br />There is much more to say on the subject but suffice to say I am resolved to keep my powder dry in the event it is required in the future .Harveynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-70997516377710560742012-05-26T20:17:16.384+01:002012-05-26T20:17:16.384+01:00I am a Zionist. I agree with what Rubin is saying ...I am a Zionist. I agree with what Rubin is saying about the PSC. But I think that BIC and the ZF (as represented by Hoffman) are bad news for Zionism, however well meaning they are. What on earth were they doing counter-demonstrating against demonstrators against Lieberman? This is real ammunition for anti-Zionists. Maybe Lieberman deserves free speech, but so does David Irving and we don't picket people who picket Irving do we?Joshnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-88231970425761777812012-05-26T20:14:23.548+01:002012-05-26T20:14:23.548+01:00Thank you Harvey. I share your concerns, and Rubin...Thank you Harvey. I share your concerns, and Rubin's concerns, with the systematic racism of the PSC, with the danger posed by Islamist-inspired racism, and with the sinister boycott movement. I did not intend to claim that I know anything about Rubin from my superficial reading of his comments. I can understand (or at least, I think I can) why he would feel these fears particularly intensely. He is also clear that he does not and would not support the EDL.<br /><br />But it seems to me that in Richard's comment threads, a lot of people are very soft on the EDL, and, as far as I can tell, this rarely gets any kind of response from Richard or his close associates. You, Harvey, were very eloquent in a recent comment thread when the EDL came up: <br /><i>The EDL are nothing more than a rebranded off shoot of the British National Party . A sort of BNP lite for want of a better description .<br />Their focus is on Islamism . My guess it is all Muslims . Scratch beneath the surface a little , and you will find their xenophobia extends to Hindus , Sikhs , blacks and of course Jew hatred .<br />Their is a temptation felt by a very few to team up with these people . It comes from a sense of frustration and despair as we regard the hatred and barely concealed antisemitism emanating from the Islamofascist s and their far left / green party supporters . There is a natural desire to grab on to anything which resembles a friend in the struggle against this malignant cancer .<br />However ,EDL and all that it stands for and its purported support for Israel and Jews is an illusion and a very dangerous one .<br />They work on the premise that the enemy of my enemy is my friend . They are not our friends .<br />They play a duplicitous nonsensical game when they turn up at demos with Israeli flags .<br />It’s not out of a love of Jews or Israel but the knowledge that such a display further exacerbates the gulf between the two sides , Zionist and antizionism .</i><br />and more recently: <i>Seeing psc and other assorted Jew haters defiling the streets of Hendon , makes me realise how appalling it must be for ordinary Muslims when the EDL attempt to march through predominantly Muslim neighbourhoods</i> <br /><br />I was really pleased to see this. But it is the first time I can remember (maybe I'm wrong; I don't go to deep down many comment threads) this sort of real condemnation of the EDL. When Joe Meilis tries, people ridicule him. Much more typical is the response from people like Daniel Marks "what's so despicable about them?" When I tried to argue with Roberta Moore, my comments were deleted and hers weren't so I gave up, even though I kept it impersonal and she was personally very offensive. <br /><br />This does not in any way mean that Richard is someone who should be assaulted or removed from meetings or boycotted. I will continue to link to his posts. But it limits my sympathy for him, and leads to attitudes like Waterloo Sunset's above. <br /><br />--<br /><br />Oh, one other thing re Richard's comment about me deleting who I like: regular readers will confirm that I err on the side of generous rather than deletion, and that I have almost certainly deleted far more comments from anti-Zionists than Zionists or even EDL supporters.bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15439386754907203808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-15213627614068488972012-05-26T19:48:54.537+01:002012-05-26T19:48:54.537+01:00Bob
Im somewhat late to this blog but as someone ...Bob <br />Im somewhat late to this blog but as someone who Waterloo sunset describes as part of the Millett, Jonathan, Harvey triad (better than the axis of evil but not as fitting as the 3 musketeers , i would just like to clear up a few misconceptions . <br />First and foremost is a comment made by yourself Bob, regarding Rubin Katz<br />Rubin is a Holocaust survivor and now well into his 80s . He sees striking similarities between the rising tide of antisemitism emnating from the Islamosfascist and far left alliance and that of the formative years of Nazism . While not dismissive of the far right tendency exemplified by the BNP / EDL , he is absolute in his belief that the main thrust of contemporary antisemitism in the UK is through the alliance previously referred to . <br />If you read some of his earlier comments ,you will note his concern over the steady blurring of lines between fair and legitimate criticism of Israeli policies and the demand for Israels total dismantlement . Such a denial of the Jewish right to self determination at the expense of Palestinian self determination is indeed antisemitic . <br />I know that he is also well aware that organisations such as the Palestinian Solidarity Campaign are systemically antisemitic . An organisation that has as its mission statement and mantra ' From the river to the sea Palestine will be free, ably demonstrates this assertion . <br />Can you think of any other organisation that finds it necessary to hold an EGM in order to divest itself of one such antisemite and inveterate Holocaust denier and then finds that almost a fifth of the electorate vote against his removal with an untold number voting in line in order not to meet with the same fate . <br />I have met with Rubin and his charming wife on a number of occasions primarily outside Ahava when it was being systematically and obsessively targeted by the BDS .He lived through the Nazi boycott of Jewish owned shops and he told me how similar this boycott was to that era ie leafleting of passers by persuading them not to enter Also the daubing of the shop with paint . <br />Anyway the nub of it is,that it is very easy to paint a picture of a person without knowing all the facts . <br />Rubin is one such person who has lived through unmentionable experiences .We need to see one off remarks in the context of those experiences .Harveynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-86087621827329388002012-05-26T16:18:31.741+01:002012-05-26T16:18:31.741+01:00"Why would you think I had anything against h...<i>"Why would you think I had anything against him?"</i><br /><br />Sarah,<br /><br />I was only reading your comments, which seemed less than expressive. I take your point now.<br /><br />But surely this leads us back to another issue? <br /><br />Even if (and that's clearly not the case) Richard Millett was the nastiest person under the sun, had halitosis, athlete's foot and questionable taste in dental floss, should the PSC and other anti-Israeli fanatics bar him from public meetings?<br /><br />Should he'd be physically assaulted, for existing?<br /><br />And these are questions that Waterloo had better address:<br /><br />1. Are you merely guilty because of what someone supposes you might think?<br /><br />2. Are you guilty because you associate with political idiots, the vacant or sometimes thoughtless?<br /><br />3. Or are we culpable for our own **actions**??<br /><br />I can understand that Waterloo and others might be reluctant to address these issues, because whatever applies to Richard Millet could equally be applied to WS and his anarchist comrades, etc<br /><br />Critically, when you're talking about a point of principle, you'd better know what that principle is in the first place and thought it through.modernity's ghostnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-75858668192533743952012-05-26T14:42:22.730+01:002012-05-26T14:42:22.730+01:00Thanks for visiting Richard. To be clear, I do not...Thanks for visiting Richard. To be clear, I do not in any way defend the physical abuse RM got from PSC activists. I admire his temerity and courage in working to uncover the racism in the PSC scene. I take the "typical Israeli" comment at him as a racist one. <br /><br />The racism in the PSC scene is not rendered less significant by the racism in the BIC milieu, such as the man attacking PSC activists as "Pakis", apparently with neither Hoffman nor anyone else in the anti-anti-Lieberman picket either censuring him or moving away from him. <br /><br />However, my jaundiced view is partly informed by the time I left comments critical of the EDL (whcih included no personal attacks) at RM's thread, which were deleted or not allowed past moderation, in a thread in which Roberta Moore poured out fascist vitriol at mainstream Jews. Although RM regulars were dismayed at her description of the Board of Deputies as "kapos", the general mood towards her was one of chumminess, and there was clearly a personal familiarity from the Ahava demo from several of the RM regulars. In general, I find the attitude towards the EDL in the RM thread, from regulars to whom he is friendly, very worrying. <br /><br />I don't know anything about Harvey, although he was very forthright in his denunciation of the EDL the most recent time it came up at RM's place.Bobhttp://brockley.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-58968911655064575862012-05-26T13:31:48.435+01:002012-05-26T13:31:48.435+01:00Modernity - I did not mean to imply anything, trul...Modernity - I did not mean to imply anything, truly, and would certainly not be advised to have a go at him on account of the comments seeing as there are a few dodgy ones at HP, as you point out.<br /><br />I was drawing a contrast, or that was my intention, between JH, on the one hand, and RM and Harvey on the other. This does not mean that I think JH is completely evil/horrible or that I see eye to eye with the other two about everything. But, for me, there is a difference. <br /><br />I certainly do not think RM should be banned from going to any public meeting. I emailed him after the recent events at SOAS to express sympathy in fact. Why would you think I had anything against him? I am sure I have linked to, or drawn on, his posts myself.Sarah ABhttp://hurryupharry.org/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-31829336988564952052012-05-26T10:59:42.760+01:002012-05-26T10:59:42.760+01:00"I was simply stating a factual point, "...<i>"I was simply stating a factual point, "</i><br /><br />Really?<br /><br />Surely, there was some implication there?<br /><br />No doubt, I could without much trouble find more extreme comments on anarchist blogs or Leninist web sites? <br /><br />Certainly, they would be no problem finding xenophobia or crass stupidity within the comment boxes at Harry's Place <br /><br />But would you blame the authors for that? <b>in principle</b>?<br /><br />However, all of this brings us away from Waterloo's original point, he still undecided whether not Richard Millet should be banned from public meetings?<br /><br />Or that it is acceptable for Richard Millet to be assaulted at such public meetings?<br /><br />I wonder if Waterloo could enlighten us on these <b>principles</b>?modernity's ghostnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-48161962078174407822012-05-26T10:33:05.139+01:002012-05-26T10:33:05.139+01:00Maybe I should close off all comments so I won'...Maybe I should close off all comments so I won't get slammed for that. Maybe I should then have no friends, acquaintances or colleagues so I won't then get slammed for that. Maybe I and others should just not blog so then BobFromBrockley can have the field to himself and he can then decide who is allowed to comment on his blog and exactly what they are allowed to say. How utterly ridiculous.richard millettnoreply@blogger.com