tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post3663149207942550680..comments2024-03-01T08:19:54.547+00:00Comments on BobFromBrockley: This and thatbobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15439386754907203808noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-78577226394119413032011-05-25T03:32:43.680+01:002011-05-25T03:32:43.680+01:00It certainly wasn't me. I don't even know ...It certainly wasn't me. I don't even know what it means.levi9909https://www.blogger.com/profile/10553481056544494411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-67636712806366771012011-05-24T02:15:27.966+01:002011-05-24T02:15:27.966+01:00Did somebody say 'Ziocentrism'?Did somebody say 'Ziocentrism'?Levi6606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-15839722929492736482011-05-24T00:09:39.190+01:002011-05-24T00:09:39.190+01:00thank you Bob for your links to other views on the...thank you Bob for your links to other views on the promise and the 1947 riots<br />We should never underestimate the power of news and tv .<br />The more i think about "the promise " the more angry i get.<br />Anyone should be entitled to their viewpoint on Israeli even if i don,t agree with it <br />But what i found unacceptable in the Promise is that every jewish character was either flawed,violent ,arrogant,traitorous ,rich ,ungrateful,fanatical,dishonest,racist and sometimes a combination of negative traits .<br />If a film was made showing other groups like this many more would be up in arms.<br />I,d go as far as to say it was almost incitement to violence.<br />As i help run a youth club i can tell you that being a jewish kid at school and university is not always easy.<br />Not helped in one case where at an assembly a deputy head said that "jews" were responsible for the genocide in gaza on holocaust memorial day. <br />Continualy it seems to me the Holocaust is being mentioned in terms that we should expect jews to behave better than others. <br /> <br />Being asked by your schoolmates why do jews like killing Palestinians is not something anyone should have to deal with. <br />That rather unfortunately fits in with the link bob gave to european attitudes on race etc in a previous blog entry.<br />The worrying numbers who believe according to the survey that jews want to eliminate palestinians .brocklydavenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-2049651056890934122011-05-23T12:53:33.293+01:002011-05-23T12:53:33.293+01:00I don't think there's anything particularl...I don't think there's anything particularly untoward about a trade union focusing on the last of the colonial settler states while the colonisation, ethnic cleansing and segregation are still in progress, which they are. <br /><br />What is very strange is the number of parties and groups claiming to support principles of equality, liberty and the rule of law having "Friends of Israel" sections and leaders who are honorary patrons of the main instigator and beneficiary of ethnic cleansing in Palestine: the Jewish National Fund.<br /><br />I know of no other serial human rights abuser that gets as much support from the mainstream media and the government and so-called opposition as the State of Israel gets. Maybe anti-zionist activism is simply rising to that challenge.levi9909https://www.blogger.com/profile/10553481056544494411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-20457646241344160212011-05-23T11:45:55.857+01:002011-05-23T11:45:55.857+01:00CIFWatch is a pretty textbook example of Ziocentri...CIFWatch is a pretty textbook example of Ziocentrism from the other side of the debate as well. It's entire interest in stories boils down to whether they're pro Israel or not- that's what differentiates it from the more general family of mediawatching blogs. DailyMailWatch etc. all come from a position of being more interested in a general critique of the ideology of the paper they watch.<br /><br />Even taking into account the high possibility sockpuppeting on that thread over at Richard Millet's, we are seeing Ziocentrism from some commentators over there on the subject of the EDL. And Bob's right this is a political issue. It's why the approach some have taken that the EDL aren't "really friends of Israel" was always going to lead to this situation; by focusing on that rather than critiquing the EDL per se, you give them an inroad to make their arguments on that basis.<br /><br />On the other hand, we all have our specific ideological biases. It wouldn't be especially unfair to accuse me of being antifascismcentric on most issues.Waterloo Sunsethttp://everybodyhatesatourist.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-8012185191874744932011-05-23T09:55:27.841+01:002011-05-23T09:55:27.841+01:00A quick word on Ziocentrism: being interested in I...A quick word on Ziocentrism: being interested in Israel/Palestine is not Ziocentric. Michael Totten, for example, is a journalist with a wide frame of reference and a broad Middle Eastern focus, and occassionally writes about I/P. Ziocentrism is an obsessive focus on I/P from someone that has no particular stake there, e.g. a British trade union having international policies that address I/P but hardly anywhere else. Ziocentrism is taking an issue and immediately finding the I/P dimension to it, e.g. blaming the Israel lobby for something that is actually about something else. Ziocentrism is judging a person's moral integrity solely on the basis of their I/P position and nothing else.bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15439386754907203808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-71511108539430830032011-05-23T09:45:58.664+01:002011-05-23T09:45:58.664+01:00I read Richard Millet's blog from time to time...I read Richard Millet's blog from time to time, as a good source of information. Generally well-written well-informed posts. But I rarely venture beneath the line, as it sometimes gets murky pretty quickly, but I hadn't noticed before the EDL types. (I'm not sure how many of them are actually real people - I tend to think the EDL's "Jewish Division" is three strange British Jews, some sockpuppets, non-Jewish EDLers and ill-informed and highly strung people dropping in from America.) I find CIFwatch posts to be generally somewhat over the top, altho with some good stuff, but the comment scene there does verge into some unpleasant territory too.<br /><br />Part of the thing, in both places, is simply a Speak You're Brains type thing that infects any comment thread when there are enough readers - a good reason not to be an A-list blogger! But there is a political issue too.bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15439386754907203808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-34711026567058034842011-05-23T07:23:47.661+01:002011-05-23T07:23:47.661+01:00Oh - I looked at the recent thread about the demo ...Oh - I looked at the recent thread about the demo which seem to be full of EDL supporters (the thread I mean). Cif Watch, also, seems to have comments which ought to be deleted according to its own criteria but instead get enthusiastic approval. I haven't read either site much though - maybe I caught them both on particularly bad days.Sarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01704141087306696250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-48139775817248439872011-05-22T22:10:58.926+01:002011-05-22T22:10:58.926+01:00The The promise Thread;
http://richardmillett.word...The The promise Thread;<br />http://richardmillett.wordpress.com/2011/02/28/channel-4-is-not-promising-for-british-jews/#comment-6548<br /><br />"I know it’s hard for you to grasp but there were no ‘palestinians’ in 1948...."<br /><br />Sarah AB - when someone on Socialist Unity asked repeatedly and provocatively if it would be preferable to have Galloway and Abjol Miah elected or two New Labour apparatchiks, I replied:<br />"Well, it's the devil and the deep blue sea,innit?"skidmarxhttp://(optional)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-64601853175100581172011-05-22T21:09:57.899+01:002011-05-22T21:09:57.899+01:00It's just awful - much worse than HP, *surely*...It's just awful - much worse than HP, *surely*!Sarah ABhttp://hurryupharry.org/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-62515479724440559272011-05-22T19:47:01.999+01:002011-05-22T19:47:01.999+01:00I not sure which thread Skid you are referring to,...I not sure which thread Skid you are referring to, but I might actually agree. I think there are a lot of dodgy people commenting at his place, possibly a larger proportion of dodginess than at HP.bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15439386754907203808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-49109795029107929372011-05-22T12:21:17.506+01:002011-05-22T12:21:17.506+01:00There's an obvious contradiction between Tom J...There's an obvious contradiction between Tom Jennings categories of "struggle tourism" and "comfortable Western handwringers":they're damned if they do something about Palstinian solidarity,and damned if they don't. Not a reviewer showing any promise of reason.<br />Picking amngst the other ziocentric stuff, Michael Totten:<br /><i>The Israelis therefore have every reason to believe that a large crown of people dismantling the border fence and crossing into their territory is a threat.</i><br />It's not their teritory. Totten's previous comment that all Israel wants to do is live in peace with its neighbours, yeah, when those neighbours are on the far side of the Nile and Euphrates maybe.<br />Sorry if this is less than polite to your sources.skidmarxhttp://(optional)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-85377081996701566542011-05-22T12:09:12.862+01:002011-05-22T12:09:12.862+01:00I see Richard Milletts comments box contain some o...I see <a rel="nofollow">Richard Milletts</a> comments box contain some outrageous denial.skidmarxnoreply@blogger.com