tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post3909769689022713714..comments2024-03-01T08:19:54.547+00:00Comments on BobFromBrockley: STOP RAISE YOUR BANNERS FROM HOSTING THE RACIST GILAD ATZMONbobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15439386754907203808noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-43839497639942082222012-01-09T05:57:02.126+00:002012-01-09T05:57:02.126+00:00I like this post because it has a lots of informat...I like this post because it has a lots of information about the banners which i needed most..<br /><br /><a href="http://www.printmonkey.co.uk/Banners-and-Displays/" rel="nofollow">Banners</a>valfridhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03668485096358197575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-87672339352079701592011-12-08T14:52:23.168+00:002011-12-08T14:52:23.168+00:00As well as Ben Gurion, Einstein (who was of course...As well as Ben Gurion, Einstein (who was of course invited to be Israel's first president) was a huge Spinoza fan, as was Moses Hess, one of the founders of Zionism. Atzmon needs to steer clear of Spinoza if he wants to find sticks to beat Zionism with.bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15439386754907203808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-66906609590154091962011-12-08T14:41:09.374+00:002011-12-08T14:41:09.374+00:00Thank you very much Luther for a very interesting ...Thank you very much Luther for a very interesting comment. Spinoza has not been de-ex-communicated, but interestingly David Ben Gurion campaigned hard with the Sephardic and Ashkenazi rabbinates in Israel to get him recognised, and they made some concessions, although I can't remember the wording.bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15439386754907203808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-78837708799977898502011-12-08T13:43:50.665+00:002011-12-08T13:43:50.665+00:00Spinoza, whom he likes to compare himself to, he i...<i>Spinoza, whom he likes to compare himself to, he is definitely not. </i><br />He is most certainly nothing like Spinoza, whom he mischaracterises in his book "The Wandering Who" (incidently the name comes from Rizzo).<br /><br />In his book Atzmon claims: <i>Spinoza's goal was to replace the God of Abraham with reason.</i><br /><br />Spinoza was all about eschewing Rabbinical interpretations of the three books Torah, Nevi'im and Ketuvim (Tanakh - aka the Old Testament if you're Christian, or 'the Book' if you're Muslim) and addressing that scripture directly. Spinoza used his rational approach to prove the existence of G-d, identifying G-d as the Force Majeure - the active power or <i>Natura Naturans</i>, from which all things flow. - i.e. Nature as active power beind all things. There was no attempt to replace G-d of Abraham in his reasoning. <br /><br />The insular Rabbis of Spinoza's day took umbridge at Spinoza's hermeneutic deconstruction of biblical texts and his rational approach to the existence of G-d. His work today has been extended by biblical scholars who identified the authors and scribes of the early texts, and his great work 'Ethics' cannot be seen as an attempt to rationalise G-d out of existence. To my mind, Spinoza is one of the greatest Jewish philosophers since Jeremiah, and if he hasn't already been de-excommunicated, ought to be. <br /><br />Atzmon however, can sling his shoddy philoshical hook into the flipside ethnonationalist territory inhabited by Roberta Moore and other Kahanist racists. They are two sides of the same coin, both misrepresenting Judaism and the conflict in Israel-Palestine, both appear to have been dredging the alt.media channels for each 'side' on the internet for supporters in their peculiar racist cause.Luther Blissettnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-42491938129837974592011-11-26T19:35:23.328+00:002011-11-26T19:35:23.328+00:00"He's charismatic, that's for sure,&q..."He's charismatic, that's for sure,"<br /><br />I watched some youtubes of Atzmon speaking. He can hardly be described as charismatic. He doesn't have the aura or language of the charmer. What makes him be perceived as "charismatic" I suspect, is more the content of what he says than the manner of the delivery. And that content is exactly the kinds of things he is willing to say about Jews and Israelis. I often compared him to Pablo Christiani, an infamous convert to Christianity who, but for his Jewishness and willingness to slander his former co-religionists, had very little to recommend him. But those attributes were enough to give him the power to harrass Jews, hector them, force them to listen to his homilies in their own synagogues, even got the king of Spain to agree to a disputation with Nahmanides. He had his high level Christian handlers who used his knowledge of the Jewish community to their own ends. I'm sure Christiani regarded himself in the same light as Atzmon does: speaking truth to power ... <br /><br />Atzmon is a deluded, deeply damaged individual, in my opinion. He is the kind of monster that the millennial contempt and loathing for Jews is bound to produce, every once in a while. Jewish history is full of characters like him. Spinoza, whom he likes to compare himself to, he is definitely not. <br /><br />His vulgar thinking can be easily seen through his obsession with circumcision. It is quite possible that all his resentment begins and ends with his shortened penis (sorry about the explicit reference here). <br /><br />I do agree with bensix, strangely enough, that his popularity is not easily explainable. Except that he is a Jew, an Israeli, who baits Jews and Israelis and that's a kind of drug that some on the far flung regions of the "Left" (or whatever) simply cannot resist. There must be something about antisemitism in an Israeli accent that acts as a narcotic and disables otherwise fine working faculties in lots of people.The Contentious Centristhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07370528817706233156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-85450084027467204012011-11-25T15:42:28.326+00:002011-11-25T15:42:28.326+00:00Bob, you're right about the Khazar fixation. T...Bob, you're right about the Khazar fixation. That's simply instrumental - if Jews aren't somehow related to the Israelites, then Israel is just that much more 'illegitimate' as a state. That DNA studies blew the Khazar nonsense out of the water ten years ago is irrelevant, because their argument isn't about truth in the first place.<br /><br />That is, at root, the demagogue in action - arguments that aren't really arguments but excuses for indulging in racist rhetoric under the cover of pseudo-academic discourse.Goodwin Sandsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-41529045433965760902011-11-25T15:00:27.550+00:002011-11-25T15:00:27.550+00:00I re-read Anonymous' comment, and had a bit of...I re-read Anonymous' comment, and had a bit of a chuckle, but sadly this sort of thinking is quite widely spread on the internet, and gives a depressing insight into the worldview of Atzmon's supporters. This is someone who presumably interprets a preference for Israel to be treated as a normal capitalist state and not as an evil entity as... an obsession with racial purity. <br /><br />It is also interesting to speculate why antisemites are so insistent on the idea that Jews are "white gentile Caucasians from Eastern Europe", that "Palestinians are Semites" and that "Philistinians were THERE FIRST". <br /><br />One of the reasons, by the way, that I always spell antisemitism with no hyphen is because I don't believe there is such a thing as a "Semite" to be "anti" to. Their are Semitic languages (including Arabic, Hebrew, Maltese, Aramaic, Tigrinya and Amharic) but there is no such thing as a Semitic "race". In fact, I don't believe there is such a thing as a "race". I don't actually care whether Jews are descended from Khazars, from the Queen of Sheba or from Uncle Tom Cobley. Jewishness is an ethnicity (not a race), related to Judaism (a religion), and historically people have become Jews through conversion, marriage and adoption, and people have stopped being Jews through those same processes and through assimilation. More or less could be the same of any other ethnic group, "Semitic" or otherwise. The idea of some kind of racial continuity from the Philistines of several millennia ago and the Palestinians of today is at least as far fetched as that of racial continuity among Jews. <br /><br />Anonymous' bizarre racist fantasies also remind me why Shlomo Sands' work is so pernicious, in disseminating the "Khazar" thesis amongst fools.bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15439386754907203808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-21885733106666434862011-11-25T14:48:48.080+00:002011-11-25T14:48:48.080+00:00Re Keren Hapuch, the point is not whether or not B...Re Keren Hapuch, the point is not whether or not Breivik "supports Israel". The point is that Atzmon is linking to a neo-Nazi website, to a website that displays provocative cartoons of Mohammed, portraits of Enoch Powell, and is otherwise immediately recognisable as fascist by anyone who is not a deranged racist.bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15439386754907203808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-78512129426984558272011-11-25T13:20:04.928+00:002011-11-25T13:20:04.928+00:00*If* wanted to hear an "Israeli" then th...*If* wanted to hear an "Israeli" then they would pick any one of the dozens of Israelis "doing the circuit", but they don't.<br /><br />There is more to it than that,<br /><br />Ask yourself, why people liked listening to Enoch Powell?<br /><br />Why do people listen to Nick Griffin?<br /><br />Because, in part, they express what other people would like to say, but feel they can't.<br /><br />The impulses that govern attitudes towards Atzmon are similar (although not exact) to those found in relationship to other articulate racists. <br /><br />It is like a guilty pleasure for the listeners.modernitynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-89116025671884814432011-11-24T17:51:37.239+00:002011-11-24T17:51:37.239+00:00The failure of self-awareness on the part of someb...The failure of self-awareness on the part of somebody who writes "BELIEVE ME" and thinks that its their interlocutors who are unstable is truly staggering.<br /><br /><i>Modernity - I think it's more simple than that - they want to hear "an Israeli" say it.</i><br /><br />Yes, that probably has something to do with it. And, let's be honest, no one wants to hold Neturei Karta up as their public face.bensixhttp://bensix.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-52951822990754117752011-11-24T09:59:15.830+00:002011-11-24T09:59:15.830+00:00I said I would not publish more of the anonymous t...I said I would not publish more of the anonymous trollery, but I thought this was such a good specimen of bizarre thinking that I let it through. Will return later to say more - gotta go to work now.bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15439386754907203808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-72963749237271382072011-11-24T05:00:26.012+00:002011-11-24T05:00:26.012+00:00I got some laughs from your comments.
Frightening ...I got some laughs from your comments.<br />Frightening how none of you ever lie.<br />You really do fully believe everything you say.<br /><br />You are so ultra hyper race fixated.<br />100% of your thought and activities are fixated on the topic of your race identity, race politics, racial separatist 'racial nationalism Jewish state', <br /><br />You are the most race fixated person you know...<br /><br />Struggle to grasp that I have nothing to say about you. People long before you set the terms and conditions you live by. You invented nothing you talk about. You took up an agenda far older than you then ran with it.<br /><br />Your race purity race power is so sad.<br /><br />Perhaps the most sad thing, is being white gentile Caucasians from Eastern Europe with a race power fantasy for a race you are not in.<br /><br />Palestinians are Semites.<br />You race hate Palestinians.<br />You ARE an anti-Semite.<br /><br />You are WHITE PEOPLE who HATE SEMITES....<br /><br />and you are so deep in your fantasy world, ... just...<br /><br />reality does not exist.<br />Like this moment, BELIEVE ME!<br />I fully grasp in advance, your tiny mind is only thinking this is a conspiracy by a hater....<br />you are a victim<br />you lol<br /><br />You are a laugh, man.<br />Your dirty little race power fantasy... so pathetic.<br /><br />Go read the Torah<br /><br />Philistinians were THERE FIRSTAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-38493230089591241452011-11-23T23:10:29.366+00:002011-11-23T23:10:29.366+00:00to learn that Breivik is enthusiastic about Israel...to learn that Breivik is enthusiastic about Israel you don't need a neonazi-site. you can read it in Breivik's own "writings".Keren Hapuchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-42917418926654400452011-11-23T18:10:45.109+00:002011-11-23T18:10:45.109+00:00The second Anon comment has just popped up, probab...The second Anon comment has just popped up, probably the last such trollery I will publish, what with me being a paid up member of the thought police who wants to send people to the gulag etc. (What on earth is s/he referring to? It's even more barmy than the "Nedward" one.)bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15439386754907203808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-11570421311109612102011-11-23T18:08:22.304+00:002011-11-23T18:08:22.304+00:00Actually, I checked in the book, and on p.179 thes...Actually, I checked in the book, and on p.179 these are the words:<br /><br />"We, for instance, can envisage an horrific situation in which an Israeli 'pre-emptive' nuclear attack on Iran escalates into a disastrous nuclear war, in which tens of millions of people perish. I guess that amongst the survivors of such a nightmare scenario, some may be <b>bold enough to argue that 'Hitler might have been right after all</b>.'" He then goes on to say, not that he hopes Israel might "reflect on possible outcomes before striking Tehran" but that it is incapable of reflecting, because Jewish discourse makes it impossible, as it has no notion of temporality.bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15439386754907203808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-22594770996219573952011-11-23T18:02:48.961+00:002011-11-23T18:02:48.961+00:00This is how he phrases it in his book: “Some brave...This is how he phrases it in his book: “Some brave people will say that Hitler was right after all.” Keyword: brave. That endorses them saying it, not regrets the poor Jews who will suffer as a result.bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15439386754907203808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-67271530260046589202011-11-23T18:00:12.563+00:002011-11-23T18:00:12.563+00:00There is a significant difference between the outr...There is a significant difference between the outrageous snippet as reported by JC and the fuller contextualised paraphrase you provide, anonymous, and if you are right he has been misrepresented.<br /><br />However, it is not in any sense a valid point, because why on earth would anyone reflect that Hitler was right because of something Israel does? What is the link? How do you think that unless someone like Atzmon has planted the thought? It's a complete non-sequitor. What was it they will think Hitler was right about? <br /><br />And, for that matter, why would it be Israel that would be blamed for this imagined world war? Would it not be the Iranian regime, with its hubristic and annihilatory nuclear ambitions? <br /><br />If anyone could have the strength to listen to the mp3 on Salem News and see what he actually said, let me know. Assuming it includes the Hitler bit and it's not edited out.bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15439386754907203808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-37471931764701656772011-11-23T17:59:24.307+00:002011-11-23T17:59:24.307+00:00The thought police are out in force against G.A. T...The thought police are out in force against G.A. They would rather throw 20,000,000 in the gulag than let them have their own thoughts. Atzmon will win in the end. The world is sick of thought police. Bolshi, Nazi or Zionist, the thought police will always be known for what they are.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-23562646967605747192011-11-23T17:37:42.754+00:002011-11-23T17:37:42.754+00:00What utter nonsense. I was at the talk in Exeter. ...What utter nonsense. I was at the talk in Exeter. Atzmon didn’t say Hitler was right. He suggested that if Israel ignites a third world war by bombing Iran, Iran may strike back and if they do, some people, engulfed in a new world war, may reflect that Hitler was right. This, Atzmon proposed, would be very bad for the Jews. He hopes Israel might learn to reflect on possible outcomes before striking Tehran. This is a valid point.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-76458216717665441232011-11-23T14:24:25.986+00:002011-11-23T14:24:25.986+00:00What possible evidence could there be that Atzmon ...What possible evidence could there be that Atzmon is not an antisemite? You can't prove a negative, and of course there is an abundance of evidence that he is, some of it linked to in this post. There is still less evidence that the organisers have made any attempt to do any research about him, as merely googling would throw up instances immediately.<br /><br />And the notion that the Jewish Socialist Group and Bradford TUC are "Jewish supremacists" is pretty good evidence, Nedward, that you are an antisemite yourself. Goodbye.bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15439386754907203808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-61800399025980459892011-11-23T13:28:03.133+00:002011-11-23T13:28:03.133+00:00Tough luck, Gilad's concert is going ahead. Th...Tough luck, Gilad's concert is going ahead. The organizers have considered the evidence and decided that Gilad is not an antisemite. Which is the correct decision, because he is not an antisemite.<br /><br />So Gilad Atzmon 1 Jewish Supremacists 0.Nedwardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-15737726155348736192011-11-23T12:07:59.800+00:002011-11-23T12:07:59.800+00:00I tried to listen to the audio of the Exeter Uni t...I tried to listen to the audio of the Exeter Uni talk (at the bottom of the post) and found it almost unlistenable. Yet he must have something - reading Sarah Gillespie's "defence", it is the voice of a cultic true believer. <br /><br />I find it interesting how his defenders always say things like "how can he be an antisemite when he is a Jew", while he himself rejects the Jewish identity. His Jewishness and Israeli-ness (and perhaps also, as I think Rosie suggested, his IDF veteran status) acts as an alibi for antisemitism.bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15439386754907203808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-85896218705544938322011-11-23T11:13:17.479+00:002011-11-23T11:13:17.479+00:00Modernity - I think it's more simple than that...Modernity - I think it's more simple than that - they want to hear "an Israeli" say it. Atzmon makes himself available. It is not so easy to get their heads around the fact that Israelis who refuse (for example, the Courage to Refuse campaigners) who are also zionists, can also be against all those things that the antizionists are against i.e. the occupation, the inequality, the settlement building - so instead the supporters of 'the other nationalism' invite a loud, brash, Israeli man who spent the last 7 years consorting with conspiracy theorists, promoting known far-right neonazis and try to write off complaints about his associates as smears, despite all evidence to the contraryLuther Blissettnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-14926713222020079872011-11-22T22:29:12.961+00:002011-11-22T22:29:12.961+00:00I suspect Atzmon is popular because he acts as a p...I suspect Atzmon is popular because he acts as a proxy for those inviting him.<br /><br />He says what others would like to say, but feel they can't, for various reasons.modernitynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10131050.post-55753121386090054282011-11-22T19:36:20.572+00:002011-11-22T19:36:20.572+00:00Joseph W joins more dots here - between Bradford P...Joseph W joins more dots <a href="http://hurryupharry.org/2011/11/22/bradford-psc-karl-dallas-john-hamilton-and-raise-your-banners/" rel="nofollow">here</a> - between Bradford PSC, Camden PSC, Paul Eisen, Atzmon and the Strawberry Thieves.bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15439386754907203808noreply@blogger.com