Monday, December 19, 2011

In Egypt

Bury the rag deep in your face
For now's the time for your tears.
The brutal suppression by the forces of the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces, the un-elected junta that rules Egypt, of the pro-democracy forces in Tahrir Square has taken a severe turn for the worse this weekend, to the relative lack of interest from the so-called international community and the mainstream media of liberal democracies. Michael Collins Dunn of the Middle East Institute has been reporting on it. The video he posted on Saturday is almost unwatchable for the vicousness of the military police beating civilian protestors. Those of you who pray, pray for Egypt now.


The Contentious Centrist said...

"The video he posted on Saturday is almost unwatchable for the vicousness"

This miserable so-called "revolution" has already produced similar or worse levels of violence, from either side. Remember Lara Logan, Dina Amer, the Israeli Embassy...

I'm sick of these mobs and their primitive hatreds and incontinent violence.

bob said...

I don't think you can equate all of these forms of violence with each other as the product of the revolution, or say all sides are as guily of committing this sin. Yes, similar levels of violence have been reached before, but there are differences.

For example, the brutality of a mass of heavily armed and armoured men against un-armed non-violent male and female civilian protestors, is morally different from the violence of a civilian mob.

I also don't think it is right to talk about "either side" as if there are two sides, the revolution and the state. There are several sides: the revolution against Mubarak's state included people whose interests were utterly at odds with each other, while the army remained neutral. After Mubarek fell (or the army pushed him), the fault-line between Salafists and democrats is as important as the fault-line between the army and the revolution.

Finally, the apparent relative peace of the absence of revolution masked an everyday reality of hidden state brutality in Egypt, with security forces routinely killing and beating criminals and protestors with utter impunity, a situation that continued under SCAF during the period when the revolution went into remission.

The Contentious Centrist said...

When the first so called revolution took place, the news announcers and the many pundits impressed upon us, the viewers, how the Egyptian people love and trust their military and how many families had sons on either side of the barricades. I took that information to be a plausible representation of reality. That means that there is really no difference between the people who riot and those who beat them, between those who rape and those who stop them. Somehow I can't see that truth in the video you provided, Bob. I see the soldiers appear to do their job with much enthusiasm, except for the one who tried to cover up the poor girl. Whether one is a soldier or a protester, they both seem equally capable of hatred and violence, especially towards women. I give neither side the benefit of the doubt you seem so willing to extend.

The Contentious Centrist said...

I realize there is something that doesn't quite compute in my last comment here but I'm in no mood to re formulate the thought right now. Maybe later.

bob said...

I need to re-formulate my thoughts too. Maybe later!