Some thoughts on gender segregation
A guest post by Sarah AB
The issue of gender segregation has been in the news again recently. It’s a topic to which people often react quite emotionally – both ‘sides’ are likely to feel their cherished values are under attack. I want to try to think through some of the implications of the recent disputes over gender segregation in the context of ideas such secularism, liberalism, pluralism, relativism and consistency.
The issue of gender segregation has been in the news again recently. It’s a topic to which people often react quite emotionally – both ‘sides’ are likely to feel their cherished values are under attack. I want to try to think through some of the implications of the recent disputes over gender segregation in the context of ideas such secularism, liberalism, pluralism, relativism and consistency.
In the UK, and other similar countries, we
accept a certain degree of gender segregation pretty unquestioningly – public
toilets and changing rooms are the most obvious example, as well as hospital
wards. Women’s only exercise classes,
swimming sessions for example, are fairly common. Although most segregation
relates to contexts where sexual modesty is an issue, single sex schools are
neither unusual nor particularly controversial.
Sexual modesty is of course also a
significant factor in the preference, on the part of some (mostly Muslims), to
segregate in more general social contexts. The threshold for gender segregation is set
much lower, as it is felt desirable to separate even when attending a debate.
At recent events on campuses sexual
segregation has been implemented. There
is some dispute as to whether, on various occasions, the segregation was
enforced or whether people could choose to mix freely if they preferred. It is my understanding that both options
were available at this event, though I believe at other events complete segregation has been maintained.
Some compare this to apartheid – if
conservative Muslims argue that they freely choose to segregate themselves by
sex, they are asked in return how they would feel if people chose to segregate
themselves by race. But as people
already segregate by sex in other contexts (e.g. toilets) this does not seem
fully fair.
In the context of another sensitive topic,
male circumcision, one of the best arguments I’ve heard against those who want
to ban the practice relates to unacknowledged inconsistencies on the part of
the dominant culture. Most people don’t
want to ban alcohol and tobacco even though, objectively, they could be seen as
harmful enough to warrant a ban – that’s because they are part of our culture
so we sidestep logic. But if
circumcision isn’t part of one’s culture – then one has no reason to be
anything other than coolly rational about the issue and may conclude the
practice should be outlawed.
I tried to think of another activity people
might voluntarily decide to engage in at university (like partially gender segregated
events) but which was harmful. The first example I came up with was boxing,
which the BMA wants to ban. There are
many boxing clubs at British universities. Is it so much more shocking to allow
voluntary, partial segregation at a debate or lecture?
This is one reason why I wonder whether it
is completely rational to react with end-of-civilisation-as-we-know-it level horror
to an event at which one can choose either to sit in a single sex or a mixed
group. In the context of dress it is common
for people to argue that women should be allowed to be as modest or immodest as
they choose, and that headscarves should neither be banned nor mandated. It is
fairly widely accepted (though not of course by all) that it is illiberal to
force a woman to remove a garment she has freely chosen to wear without good
reason. Might the same argument not be
applied to women (and men) who want to sit apart but have no wish to enforce
that preference on others?
Another reason for pausing and reflecting
on one’s responses to gender segregation relates to attitudes towards different
groups in society. Although antisemitism
is certainly a very serious problem it does not generally, certainly not so
often as anti-Muslim bigotry does, focus on religious practice. That is just possibly one reason why stories
of gender segregation within the context of Judaism don’t seem to press buttons
in the same way such stories do when they involve Muslims, stories such as this one about (limited) segregated seating at a concert (for the benefit of Orthodox
Jews). Muslim segregation, by contrast,
has attracted the ire not just of atheists and secularists (including Muslim
secularists) but also more threatening groups.
There are various reasons against being phlegmatic
about gender segregation. One is that although the choice may seem free to
some, for others ‘voluntary’ gender segregation is no such thing – if the
option is there they may feel expected to avail themselves of it or be seen as morally
lax. (This argument is also used in support of veil bans.) Although I think this is a very important
issue I’m never sure how far one can legislate for coercion. In countering one sort of possible coercion
one is formally, and more decidedly, instating coercion the other way – against
those who want to segregate or veil.
Another reason is that sexual segregation
is seen as inherently discriminatory against women. It is certainly the case that segregation
often fits this pattern – women’s seats generally seem to be at the back of
such events. It is also the case that arguments
in favour of sexual modesty from a religious perspective can seem
discriminatory against women. They tend
to frame women as objects of temptation and desire, and it is inaccurately
implied that keeping covered up will protect against harassment. Of course such arguments are also very
insulting to men. But for some,
religiously motivated sexual modesty may not be conceived in this way, but as
part of a more equally shared burden of virtuous behaviour – and recently in
fact Saudi Arabia has expelled three men for being too handsome.
Another factor which is at least implicit
in arguments against segregation is that it is viscerally offensive, it seems
to strike at the core of our values and beliefs. But – have we the right not to
be offended?
Finally – I’m still not sure what I think
about this issue – but it’s important to remember that just because we say
something shouldn’t be banned doesn’t need to imply approval. I certainly don’t welcome the influence of
groups such as iERA on campus, or the conservative views on sexuality and
gender which provide the impulse behind segregation.
Comments
So yes, I was grateful that these were "women only" trains.
But in most other situations, there's a very simple rule for me: oppose gender segregation demanded by people who insist on gender segregation in pretty much all circumstances.
"there is no together for men and women"
That's great!
Also, allow sexual segregation if not having it will lead to self-exclusion in ways which deny something important that you can't get anywhere else to those affected. I very angrily tolerate women-only swimming, but only just. My immobile neighbour won't let my other half in the house - that also makes me angry and prevents us from sharing the responsibility, but I'm not about to ignore her when she needs something.
It's important not to soften on this - sexual segregation is shameful. My mum grew up in that kind of family (Jewish) so we had it a bit when I was younger. I am full of rage when I go to religious events and suffer the indignity of 5 year old boys freely wandering between where I am and somewhere I'm not allowed. They already know they're superior to the women at the margins. I come close to hating the men in the airy upstairs rooms (the last Muslim wedding I went to), and with the good downstairs view and the clique at the front (the last bar mitzvah). For me, it's a betrayal and a real set-back to gender relations. I think all feminists - especially if they are men - should refuse to attend such events, let alone with their children. They are harmful.
Another problem is that the media have framed this very simply in terms of "segregation on campus" as if it were the norm, and sought response from politicians on that basis, when in fact nothing that students have to go to is segregated - normal lectures and indeed anything that isn't run by one or two religious societies.